Shawn Callahan, founder of Anecdote International and author of the award-winning book Putting Stories to Work, joins the show to reveal how story listening, not just storytelling can transform corporate culture and strategy, and why the best stories in business aren’t heroic sagas but small, authentic moments that drive change.

In this episode, we dig into how storytelling drives strategy and culture, with practical examples from the boardroom to the frontline. You'll hear why most corporate stories skip the hero’s journey, and how the right conversation can coax stories from even the most reluctant leaders.

Shawn Callahan shares behind-the-scenes insights from decades of helping Fortune 500 companies, including the real reason slide decks and town halls fail, the “Costanza manoeuvre” for sharper strategic choices, and how story listening cannily triggers change from the inside out.

You’ll walk away with actionable ways to spot, craft, and scale stories in your organisation, plus a simple framework for making strategy stick. Discover why authentic, everyday anecdotes beat polished presentations and how to transform your own strategy into something your team not only hears, but owns.

KEY TOPICS

1. Why story listening, not storytelling, is the foundation for culture change in business [00:01:56]
2. The genius of group “anecdote circles” for unlocking reluctant stories in teams [00:04:33]
3. How co-creating the strategy story forces leaders to clarify real choices and avoid business-as-usual clichés [00:09:18]
4. Scaling strategy through progress stories and “overwhelming the system” with examples at every level [00:17:12]
5. The pitfalls of story banks and why oral, not written, stories drive authenticity and connection [00:23:01]

GUEST BIO & LINKS

Shawn Callahan is the founder of Anecdote International, author of Putting Stories to Work, and one of the world’s leading experts in story-based communication for business. With over 20 years helping Fortune 500 companies across 22 countries and 11 languages make their strategies stick, Shawn is known for his practical approach, starting with story listening and small, real-world anecdotes. From his days at IBM’s Centre for Organisational Complexity to building Anecdote into a global consultancy, Shawn has worked with executives to co-create strategic narratives, drive culture change, and scale storytelling across entire organisations. His work empowers leaders to move beyond slides and scripts, fostering genuine buy-in with stories people actually remember.

Connect with Shawn Callahan:

Website: https://anecdote.thinkific.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawncallahan/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shawndcallahan/?hl=en

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Chief Story Officer is a podcast about how stories drive strategy, not just communication. Host Rob D. Willis talks with executives and thought leaders about the moments where the right message changed everything.

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