Recently, I had the chance to record a conversation with my friends Chinua Hawk and Mark Henderson. They were open and honest and shared their thoughts on things like what racism means to them, their biggest struggle as black men, their experiences navigating predominantly white spaces, and so much more.

They shared stories that I found to be powerful, and they got me thinking about things beyond social justice, things like what it means for us to truly be free.

I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I did!