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In this episode, Roxanne and Catherine talk about a distinction that took them both a long time to actually acknowledge the difference between being nice and being kind.
They speak openly about what it's meant to unlearn the instinct to smooth things over, to say yes when they meant no, to keep the peace at the cost of their own needs. They get into what it actually takes to hold a boundary once you've set it, and to sit with someone's disappointment, or their read of you as difficult, without rushing to fix it or take it back.
They also talk about the other side of that coin, the ways they've each betrayed themselves, in small moments and bigger ones, by consistently putting someone else's comfort ahead of their own truth.
We look forward to seeing reflections of your own experience of this in the comments.
They come at it from different starting points. Catherine has built a career inside the creative industry, while Roxanne spent years believing the story that she wasn't a creative person, a story that corporate and coaching spaces did little to challenge. What they find, talking it through, is that the block was never really about talent, but rather permission.
They talk about why setting aside time for creative expression that has nothing to do with output, performance, or other people's eyes on it can feel like a genuinely rebellious act when everything around us is built for consumption rather than creation. And they talk honestly about what doing this, offline, just for themselves, has given them: something closer to their own joy, and something that's done real work for their mental health.
This is a conversation about reclaiming a part of yourself that work doesn't get to touch. Share your thoughts in the comments.
In our latest episode, we welcome our first-ever podcast guest, Sandulela Asanda! We were so grateful to sit down with her and hear about the journey of bringing her film,which she wrote and directed, to the screen. Black Burns Fast is currently in cinemas across South Africa and streaming on Amazon Prime.
We share our own reflections on this beautifully crafted and performed coming-of-age story, and we hear from Sandulela about what it’s like to lead a project of this scale, the highs, the lows, and the magic in between.
Enjoy the episode, and let us know your thoughts in the comments. And of course, go catch the movie in cinemas while you still can!
In this episode, Roxanne and Catherine get into both sides of that truth: how seeing people who looked like them expanded what felt possible, and what it actually takes to navigate the world while carrying the weight of being seen as more than just yourself.
They bring their own contexts to it, Roxanne from her work as Bold Beings Career Confidence Coach, Catherine from life as a performing artist, but the experience they're describing is the same: the constant chess game of figuring out how much of yourself to bring into a room, and how to express who you are without losing something in the process. At one point they noticed, mid-conversation, that they were still doing it... carefully choosing their words even with each other.
This is an ongoing conversation with no conclusions or advice, and they want to hear from you. Share your thoughts and experiences in the comments.
In this episode, Roxanne and Catherine trace their relationships with their hair through different stages of life: the relaxer years, the turning points, and the ongoing journey of learning to love what grows naturally out of their heads.
Growing up, both of them absorbed messages, from family, school, and the world around them, about what counted as good hair, neat hair, manageable hair. The context for that in South Africa is specific and loaded, and neither of them came into adulthood untouched by that.
Their paths look different, their triggers were different, but where they've landed has real common ground: a relationship with their hair that is a loving one. Not without complexity, but settled in a way that took real work to get to. And to be honest, this one could have gone on for hours.
A moment for International Pride Month. In this episode, we get into the highs, lows, and everything in between that this month brings up for us. Our feelings are mixed this year, joy in our own experience, alongside pain for our community still fighting for basic rights. We open up about our coming out stories and the emotions they’ve stirred as we’ve sat with them recently, and we share the genuine joy that being queer has brought into our lives.
In this episode, Roxanne and Catherine dig into the stories they grew up with around eating, where food came from, who made it, and what it meant. Catherine shares her seven years as a vegan and what that journey taught her about identity and choice. They explore the gendered labour hidden in plain sight at family tables: the women who cooked every Sunday lunch while the men carved the meat and got the best pieces, and what that quietly communicated, even in households where it wasn't completely foreign for dads to cook.
Roxanne reflects on how respectability politics shapes her relationship with food, and the particular tension of asking for what you actually want. Both speak to the experience of cooking food from home while living abroad, and how a meal can be a thread back to culture, memory, and self.
At the heart of it: the idea that how we feed ourselves, and others, is an act of love, and that learning to eat in a way that genuinely nourishes you is part of learning to take care of yourself.
In this episode, Roxanne and Catherine sit down for an honest and personal conversation about clothing, style, and what it means to dress like yourself. They trace the journey from childhood - the desire to fit in, the moments of getting it wrong - to the quieter, more intentional relationship with style that adulthood can bring. The episode gets real about what styling actually is: a skill that can be developed, a form of self-expression that communicates something whether you intend it to or not, and a quiet source of dignity when it works. A candid reflection on identity, self-presentation, and the small but meaningful act of showing up as yourself.
This one is a little different and a little more personal than usual.
In this special edition, Roxanne turns the mic on Catherine for a birthday reflection conversation. With questions from listeners and a few of Roxanne's own, Catherine opens up about memory, growth, and the year behind her - what she's learned, what she's leaving behind, and what she's still becoming. The conversation moves through her career, the crossing over of our relationship from friendship to lovers, and the quiet ways she has surprised herself. It also holds space for something tender: ten years since the passing of Catherine's mom, a woman who was there to nurture the early moments of Catherine's creative life. Enlightening, deeply personal, and at moments quietly emotional - this is Catherine, seen and celebrated.
In this latest episode, Roxanne and Catherine sit down for an honest and heartfelt conversation about friendship in adulthood - what it means, why it matters, and why it's harder than it used to be. They explore how the friendships we hold shape who we are, and what it actually takes to build and sustain meaningful connections when life gets full and busy. The episode also gets real about what makes a friendship genuinely good - including the courage it takes to work through difficult moments, and the wisdom to recognise when it's time to let go. A warm, candid reflection on one of the most quietly important parts of adult life.
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Hosted by Catherine Saint Jude & Roxanne Botman
Two Girls Strong is a bold, intimate conversation at the crossroads of love, culture, creativity, and ambition. Hosted by musician and multidisciplinary artist Catherine Saint Jude (Dope Saint Jude) and Roxanne Botman, a People and Culture Consultant and Career Confidence Coach, this podcast invites listeners into the heart of a partnership that’s rewriting the rules.