Christian turns the tables and interviews Stephen as they reflect on this season of Plague Remedy, the power of stories, and the majesty of the imagination. Plus, they share book recommendations, holiday cheer, and a snarky Christmas poem by Ogden Nash.

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Christian's Recommendations —

• The Last Whaler by Cynthia Reeves
• Fisher & Donaldson's Fudge Donuts

Stephen's two books —

• Puckoon by Spike Milligan
• The Religious Case Against Belief by James P. Carse

Stephen's Two Other —

• The Honest Broker (Ted Gioia's Substack)
• A Special Day 1977 (Film)

HAPPY, HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

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