Listen in as Kate MacPhail and Krystle Cobran have an open, vulnerable, and honest conversation about competition that creates community, the pain and division of othering, and the joy we find in leaning into connection together.

 

P.S. We also talk about the adventure of teaching courses about race in a university setting that create connection instead of division.

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