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Revelation 19 is not the end of the book, and the second coming is not the end of the story.

In episode 7 of our Revelation series, Katie Haldane goes solo to share something that frustrates her about some end times teaching in Pentecostal circles: we get so excited about Jesus returning that we stop reading. Revelation 19–22 shows that the real goal is the restoration of Father God to a new heaven and a new earth, with Eden restored.

Katie did her PhD on Revelation 6 and 19. Here she walks through the white horse, the trumpet and the new Jerusalem in plain language, with hope rather than fear.

In this episode:

• Why Revelation is a book of hope and power, not fear
• Revelation 19: Jesus on the white horse, “Faithful and True”
• Why witnessing matters before the trumpet sounds
• Why “Jesus comes back and we all go to heaven” isn’t the full picture
• Revelation 20–22: Eden restored, and why you needn’t get stuck on the millennium
• Why Pentecostals can forget the Father, and what “Father God follows” means
• The new heaven, the new earth and the new Jerusalem
• God “tabernacling” with his people again
• The river of life, the tree of life, and seeing God’s face
• Why there’s no temple in the new creation

Scriptures: Revelation 1, 4, 19, 20, 21, 22 · Hebrews (Christ interceding)

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Matthew gives us two women at the tomb, sitting opposite it. What if that one detail is doing more work than we've noticed?

Katie Haldane is joined by her former PhD supervisor, Dr Rosemary Canavan, senior lecturer in biblical studies at the Catholic Theological College. Rosemary combines exegesis, history, archaeology and numismatics (the study of coins), and she brings all of it to Matthew 28.

Together they unpack why sitting is a posture of mourning, how a Jewish burial text called Samahoth 8:1 helps us read the scene, and why the women are witnesses, disciples and then sent out on mission. They then widen the lens to women in Luke, in Paul and in Asia Minor: Phoebe the deacon and benefactor, Nympha and the church in her house, and what women's benefaction and even coinage tell us about the world they lived in.

Takeaway: don't read these women through the lens of what we've been told. Take each woman as a character, and ask what the narrative, the context and the wider world are telling us.

In this episode

• 00:00 Meet Dr Rosemary Canavan
• 02:03 Why women in the New Testament?
• 03:55 The women at the tomb in Matthew 28
• 07:04 Why they sat opposite the tomb
• 09:33 Samahoth 8:1 and Jewish mourning practice
• 11:39 The guards and Matthew's community
• 12:44 Witnesses, disciples and apostles
• 15:00 Women as disciples in Matthew and Luke
• 17:48 Women in Paul
• 18:32 Phoebe and Nympha
• 20:59 What is a benefactor?
• 22:32 Women, coins and Asia Minor
• 25:22 Why one patriarchal brushstroke is too broad
• 26:42 The one misconception to leave behind

Guest: Dr Rosemary Canavan, Catholic Theological College Host: Katie Haldane

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For our first ever panel episode, we sat down with two Revelation scholars, Rev. Assoc. Prof. Robyn Whitaker and Asst. Prof. U-Wen Low, to do what this show does best: take years of academic study and hand it back to you in plain language.

Nothing was off the table. We talk about the Antichrist (spoiler: it's not actually in Revelation), where the obsession with 666 and "the mark of the beast" really comes from, the Whore of Babylon and why John's language is deliberately offensive, the violence in the text and how to read it without letting it justify violence today, and, in a genuine curveball, what a persecuted, powerless first-century church might have to say about AI, surveillance and the modern "monopoly of power."

If you've ever felt like Revelation was either too weird to touch or too dangerous to question, this conversation is for you.

In this episode:

- Why Revelation was written for a minority church trying to survive, not to hand us a decoder ring for the news
- The real meaning of 666 (it's Gematria, and it points to Nero, not your least favourite public figure)
- What the "mark of the beast" is actually thought to reference, and why it isn't vaccines, barcodes or credit cards
- Why "Antichrist" isn't a Revelation word at all, and where it actually comes from
- Eugene Boring's idea of a "false trinity of evil," and what it's parodying
- How to sit with Revelation's violence without using it to justify violence, including the idea of the text as performance and catharsis
- Robyn's research connecting Revelation's critique of empire to AI, surveillance and concentrated power today
- Why Revelation refuses to give you a clean hero to imitate, right down to John himself getting told off
- The one question Robyn says the whole book is really asking: "Am I looking more like the lamb, or the kings of the earth?"

Guests:

Rev. Assoc. Prof. Robyn Whitaker teaches and researches the Book of Revelation, and has written on Revelation's imagery, its politics, and, most recently, its relevance to AI and the concentration of power.

Asst. Prof. U-Wen Low lectures on Revelation with a particular interest in reading it as a performed text, and on the patterns of behaviour (wait, witness, worship) the book models for its readers.

Host: Katie Haldane

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- Blog: "666, the Antichrist & the Mark of the Beast: What Revelation Actually Says" at trashyourbible.com/thebridge
- Blog: "The Violence in Revelation: Catharsis, Not a Call to Arms" at trashyourbible.com/thebridge
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Is Armageddon a human holy war? Katie Haldane reads Revelation 16:16 in context and explains why the stronghold city of Megiddo matters.

What does Armageddon actually mean in the Bible?

The word appears in Revelation 16:16, and it has been used to justify some heavy ideas, including the belief that Christians will join a final human holy war. In this episode of TYB The Bridge, Katie Haldane, who has studied the book of Revelation and stood at Megiddo herself, offers a different reading.

She walks through the seven bowls of God's wrath, explains why Megiddo was a stronghold city, and looks at what Revelation 19 says about the beast, the kings of the earth and the sword that comes from the rider's mouth. Along the way: the Crusades, the heroes of Revelation (hint: they are the martyrs), and a Roman detail about dishonour that makes the imagery of Revelation 19 land differently.

If you have believed for a holy war, or feared one, this is an invitation to read the text again and rewrite your end times with hope.

This is the start of a conversation. Read the passages for yourself and test what you hear.

Passages mentioned: Revelation 16:15-21, Revelation 19:17-21, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, Ephesians 6:12.

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CHAPTERS

0:00 The question: are you believing for a holy war?

0:21 Welcome to The Bridge: what is Armageddon?

0:51 Why a "holy war" reading is risky (the Crusades)

1:23 The heroes of Revelation are martyrs, not fighters

2:44 The seven bowls of God's wrath: where 16:16 sits

3:28 Revelation 16:15-21 read aloud: "It is done"

4:48 What dispensational teaching does with Armageddon

5:33 Megiddo: the stronghold city between two mountains

6:00 No human war when Jesus returns (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

6:29 Revelation 19: heaven opens and the sword comes from his mouth

7:22 Gladiator, Rome and the dishonour of the unburied

8:13 "Wait, what?" The beast is captured (Revelation 19:19-21)

9:04 Humans do not fight in Revelation

10:00 If you fear Armageddon: what to hold onto

10:54 Rewriting your end times with hope

Most of us picture Revelation through 500-year-old woodcuts, not the Bible itself. Dr U-Wen Low joins Katie to explain how a Reformation-era artist shaped the way we read the most avoided book in Scripture — and why it was actually written as a declaration of hope.

Full show notes:

Revelation has a reputation problem. Ask most Christians and they'll admit they avoid it — too scary, too confusing, too tangled up with end-times predictions. On this episode, Katie is joined by her former Master's supervisor, Dr U-Wen Low, Assistant Professor of Public Religion at the University of Birmingham, to ask why — and to make the case that Revelation was never meant to terrify us in the first place.

U-Wen traces the imagery most of us associate with Revelation back to Albert Dürer's 1490s woodcuts and Martin Luther's illustrated German Bible — 500-year-old pictures that still shape our imagination today. From there, the conversation moves into performance criticism (Revelation as something meant to be experienced, not silently read and picked apart) and postcolonial criticism (Revelation as resistance literature that history later twisted into a colonising tool). Along the way: the real "special effects" available in the first-century Roman world, why Revelation only asks three things of ordinary believers, and the chapter U-Wen calls the most overlooked — and most important — in the whole book.

Guest: Dr U-Wen Low, Assistant Professor of Public Religion, University of Birmingham. Scholar of Revelation, the New Testament, postcolonial and performance criticism.

Links:

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For years, the mark of the beast has been taught as something physical — a chip, a tattoo, even, during the pandemic, a vaccine — something you could accidentally take on and lose your salvation. In this solo episode, host Katie Haldane, who recently completed her PhD in the Book of Revelation and Greco-Roman military culture, explains why that reading doesn't hold up.

Walking through Revelation 13, Katie unpacks the mark placed on "the right hand or forehead" as a spiritual reality, not a physical one — paralleled by the seal of Christ placed on believers in Revelation 7. She explains why a fleshly, salvation-altering mark would undercut Paul's own teaching that we are saved by grace through faith alone, not by anything done to the body, and unpacks the 144,000 as a symbolic number of an uncountable multitude, not an elite or literal headcount.

Katie's real target in this episode isn't just bad theology — it's the fear it produces. She makes the case that Revelation was written to be a source of hope and calm assurance, not terror, and that the healthiest response to end-times anxiety isn't more watching for signs, but more witnessing.

This episode sets up an upcoming crossover conversation on Revelation with Dr Robyn Whitaker and Dr Ewan Lowe.

• What the mark of the beast is (and isn't) in Revelation 13
• Why "chip in the skin" and vaccine-as-mark-of-the-beast teaching misreads the text
• The seal of Christ (Revelation 7) as the spiritual counterpart to the mark
• The 144,000 as a symbolic, not literal or elite, number
• Why salvation can't be gained or lost through anything done to the flesh
• Wars and rumours of wars, and what they actually signal
• Moving from "watching" for end-times signs to "witnessing"
• Revelation as a book of hope, not fear

Katie Haldane recently completed her PhD in the Book of Revelation and Greco-Roman military culture, and has studied and taught end-times theology for over 15 years. She hosts The Bridge, the podcast ministry of Trash Your Bible — academics for the average Joe.

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Millions of Christians grew up believing the rapture is core doctrine — the moment believers are swept up to heaven before seven years of tribulation. But the word "rapture" doesn't appear anywhere in the New Testament.

In this episode, host Katie Haldane talks with Reverend Associate Professor Robyn Whitaker — a Revelation and Synoptic Gospels scholar at Pilgrim Theological College and Director of the Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics and Public Policy — about where rapture theology actually came from: a single 19th-century vision, preacher John Nelson Darby's system of dispensationalism, and the 1909 Scofield Study Bible, which printed the idea directly into Bible footnotes and sent it mainstream through Hal Lindsay's bestsellers and the Left Behind series.

Together they trace what the early church actually believed about the end of all things — not an escape from earth, but Christ returning in glory to make His home here, on a renewed creation. They talk honestly about what rapture theology has done to how Christians handle suffering and persecution, why "escape theology" can quietly undercut care for the earth and for each other, and what a biblically-grounded hope for the future looks like once the rapture is left behind.

Whether you grew up on Left Behind, sat through end-times charts at church camp, or are hearing all this for the first time — this conversation is academics for the average Joe, exactly where you need it.

• What "the rapture" means, and why the word isn't in scripture
• The 19th-century vision and John Nelson Darby's dispensationalism
• The 1909 Scofield Study Bible and how it mainstreamed rapture theology
• Hal Lindsay, The Late Great Planet Earth and the Left Behind books
• What the early church believed about Christ's second coming
• 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in its original historical context
• Revelation 21–22: the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem
• Rapture theology, suffering, persecution and the meaning of "martyr"
• Escapism, creation care and Christian stewardship of the earth

Reverend Associate Professor Robyn Whitaker is Associate Professor of New Testament at Pilgrim Theological College (University of Divinity), specialising in the Book of Revelation and the Synoptic Gospels. She holds a PhD in Biblical Studies from the University of Chicago Divinity School, where she received the Jewett Prize for New Testament studies and a Martin Marty Junior Fellowship, and has taught at Princeton Theological Seminary, Union Theological Seminary and New Brunswick Theological Seminary. Robyn is the inaugural Director of the Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics and Public Policy, writes regularly for The Conversation, and is a frequent guest on ABC radio. Instagram & Facebook: @RevRobynWhitaker

Her latest book: Revelation for Normal People: A Guide to the Strangest and Most Dangerous Book in the Bible (The Bible for Normal People series) — out now. A scholar's guide to reading Revelation in its ancient context, without the fear or the fixation on end-times charts. 📖 Get it on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0CNJ4MMT7

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Revelation might be the most feared book in the Bible — and Dr Katie Haldane thinks that's a tragedy. She's spent fifteen years teaching end times, and holds both a Master's and a PhD in the book of Revelation. In this series premiere of Don't Be Scared Now, she makes the case that Revelation was never meant to be a weapon of fear, conspiracy or political propaganda — it was written to be a book of hope.

Katie walks through why Revelation gets hijacked by conspiracy theories and hatred, what the book's actual goal is (hint: it's regeneration and restoration, not decoding a timeline), and introduces the four classic scholarly lenses used to read it — preterist, historicist, futurist and idealist — before explaining why she refuses to lock Revelation into just one of them. She closes with Revelation 1:8 — "who is, who was, and who is to come" — as the key that holds the whole book together, past, present and future.

This episode sets up a full series featuring conversations with Associate Professor Robin Whitaker (Pilgrim Theological College) on the rapture, and Dr U-Wen Low on how to read Revelation well, plus a joint conversation with both. Academics for the average Joe — real scholarship, explained like a human, so you can fall in love with this book instead of fearing it.

Scripture referenced: Ecclesiastes 3:11 · Matthew 19:28 · Acts 3:21 · Revelation 1:8, 4, 22

Coming up in this series: the rapture with Associate Professor Robin Whitaker · how to read Revelation with Dr U-Wen Low · a joint conversation with both scholars.

Got a question for the series? Send it through on Instagram @tyb_thebridge or email us [email protected]

Before we get into end times, the rapture, and every big topic on the horizon for The Bridge, Katie introduces the framework that will anchor every episode this season: Dogma, Doctrine, Don't Know.

Dogma is what's non-negotiable — grounded in the Nicene Creed. Doctrine is where denominations differ. And "don't know" is opinion — the grey areas Christians can genuinely disagree on. Katie walks through where hot-button topics like the rapture, Israel, and end times actually sit on that spectrum, and why knowing the difference might just save your friendships (and your church membership).

This is the lens for the whole season — so whether you're new to theology or you've been studying for years, start here.

Topics covered: the Nicene Creed · Council of Nicaea (325 AD) · denominational differences · end times · the rapture · agreeing to disagree in the body of Christ

You can view the Nicene Creed here: Nicene Creed | Christianity, History, Councils, & Text | Britannica

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In this first episode of TYB The Bridge, host Dr Katie Haldane explains why she built a podcast to bring biblical scholars out of the lecture hall and into your headphones. After years deep in a PhD on the Book of Revelation and Greco-Roman history, she kept meeting brilliant academics whose work never reaches the average Bible reader — until now.

Learn how the show works, how to submit your own Bible question, and what's coming in episode one.

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