In the first half, guest host Rich Berra (email) spoke with ufologist and writer Alejandro Rojas about UFO reports and the recent drone sightings in the news. Rojas believes that while the government holds secrets about UAP, the biggest secret may be their own uncertainty. "I think they know less than people assume they do," he speculated. Rojas also expressed frustration over the lack of transparency from the government and academics, stating, "There just doesn't seem to be that motivation in the scientific community [for disclosure]."
Rojas also touched on the confusion surrounding the terms UFO and UAP, noting that "UAP represents the scientific investigation of UFOs," but the public often misunderstands this distinction. As for the recent reports of drones over New Jersey and elsewhere, he proposed that many of these incidents are likely misidentified aircraft. Rojas urged for more rigorous analysis of such reports, which is what he strives for at his company Enigma Labs. "What we're doing at Enigma is to analyze these reports and get to the bottom of them," he explained.
Rojas continued to emphasize the need for verifiable data over anecdotal stories: "Now we need hard data—and we can get the hard data—we just gotta do the hard work." He highlighted two compelling incidents, the first being the Aguadilla, Puerto Rico case from 2013, where a mysterious object was filmed by border security officers. Despite being dismissed by the Department of Defense as possibly a balloon or birds, Rojas noted, "what's weird about this object is at the end of the video, it breaks into two." Another case involved a bright light over Signal Mountain, Texas, where the eerie illumination started moving in weird, inexplicable ways.
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The third hour featured afterlife expert Sandra Champlain, who shared her experience and wisdom on the dying process. Following the death of her father, Sandra's long-held fear of dying spurred her to seek proof of what lies beyond, a pursuit she described as "a secret journey" that ultimately became her life's work. Although initially raised in a household that emphasized "seeing is believing," Sandra recounted a pivotal moment where she overcame skepticism and realized her own abilities. While attending a workshop on mediumship, she was able to accurately describe another participant's deceased grandfather—a Danish fisherman who smoked heavily—which amazed everyone there.
This experience encouraged her to continue exploring various facets of afterlife communication, including Electronic Voice Phenomena and near-death experiences. "I have studied so much that has 100% proved to me that not only do we go on, but that who we are as human beings is pretty magical," she insisted. Champlain explained how death is merely "closing our eyes to this world and opening them again." She expressed excitement about the prospect of meeting deceased loved ones in the afterlife, who often appear as "young and healthy" during deathbed visions.
Champlain encouraged listeners to remain open-minded, challenging the notion of a singular truth regarding life and death. "There's more to life than meets the eye," she said.
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The final hour of the program featured Open Lines, where listeners called in to discuss topics of interest. Cornelius from Louisiana discussed the mental health struggles faced by veterans, especially during the holidays. He emphasized the importance of community support and thanked the show for helping him cope with his father's passing.
Angel from St. Louis shared a dramatic encounter from 1969 while crossing the Courtney Campbell Causeway. He described witnessing a massive craft overhead that was loud enough to drown out screams. Jack from South Carolina spoke about his connection with his deceased ancestors through genealogy. He shared how researching his family history led him to feel their presence and establish a deeper connection with them.