In last week’s episode, we made an unedited decision on the fly — just as Rich was about to respond to Cate’s scientific skepticism about UFOs… we hit stop.

This episode picks up exactly where we left off.

Rich explains why he believes there’s more going on than people realize. Cate pushes back with logic, data, and hard science.

So what actually counts as evidence?
What counts as belief?
Is there a middle ground between curiosity and irrationality… between skepticism and closed-mindedness?

And then we go there.

How much does Elon Musk really know?

I asked. Rich answered.

No scripts. No edits. Just three adults trying to make sense of the unknown.

Part II of our UFO debate starts now.