Hope and Jackie talk about Barbie’s original fashion designer Carol Spencer who wrote a book about it and wants you to know that she used to have a very slim waist. Speaking of beauty standards, the Victoria’s Secret rebrand is also up for discussion and if you’re a 10/10 Jackie automatically hates you. But “Ugly is the New Beautiful” as they say, “they” being the people who are grasping at straws trying to market to gen z.

 

Fact check: Working Girl did get an Oscar, but it was for Best Music and Best Original Song (Carly Simon). It did win some Golden Globes.

 

The book we discuss is called Dressing Barbie: A Celebration of the Clothes That Made America's Favorite Doll and the Incredible Woman Behind Them

 

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