Unapologetic Women

It’s the very first episode of No, You Go! Jenn, Katel, and Sara get together to talk about the itch to get out of a professional rut and start something new—whether that’s changing jobs, launching a company, building a side gig, or maybe even…idk….starting a podcast?

> Fuck it, let’s just do it. Let’s be unapologetic women asking to do work, and to be paid fairly for it.

> —Becca Gurney, co-founder, [Design Choice](http://www.designchoice.studio/)

Read on for more of what we covered, and read the full transcript for all the, like, verbatim quotes, you know?

## Show notes

First, we tell the story of how No, You Go got started:

- Sara has an idea, but forgets that Austin Kleon already wrote a book called Show Your Work and narrowly avoids totally ripping him off.

- Jenn shares what it’s like to trade a thousand side projects for some stability—and, oh yeah, one super-cool baby.

- Katel opens up about how working at home alone can get, well, lonely—and asks us to join her “awesome after-school kickass club.”

- We all fully embrace the athleisure lifestyle.

Next, we kick off the show—and 2018—by hearing how four women who made big changes last year knew it was time for something new:

- [Becca Gurney](http://beccagurney.com/), co-founder of [Design Choice](http://www.designchoice.studio/), tells us how the pay gap in the [AIGA Design Census](https://designcensus.org/) plus the 2016 election turned her from freelance designer to outspoken advocate for equality in design.

- [Jenn Schiffer](http://jennmoney.biz/), community engineer for Fog Creek’s [Glitch](https://glitch.com/) platform, shares how fear kept her stuck in a rut and not doing her best work—until an opportunity to build community for other engineers brought her life back.

- [Lara Hogan](http://larahogan.me/), co-founder of [Where With All](http://where-with-all.com/), describes how meeting her now-business-partner led her away from managing engineering teams and toward building a consulting business.

- [Mina Markham](http://mina.codes/), senior front-end architect at Slack (and creator of the famed [Pantsuit design system](https://medium.com/git-out-the-vote/pantsuit-the-hillary-clinton-ui-pattern-library-238e9bf06b54#.c6rnwv18f) used by the Hillary Clinton campaign), describes trusting her gut to guide her through three new jobs and three cross-country moves in just three years.

### Also in this episode

- Archie’s hair, Cheryl Blossom’s lips, and why [Riverdale](http://www.cwtv.com/shows/riverdale/) is our favorite CW teen drama

- Shout outs to [Call Your Girlfriend](http://www.callyourgirlfriend.com/) and [Shine Theory](https://www.thecut.com/2013/05/shine-theory-how-to-stop-female-competition.html)

- Jenn’s rad [formula for speaking fees](http://www.thenerdary.net/post/84544230452/a-formula-for-speaking-fees) post from the Nerdary

- [California Style Sheets](https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/a-call-for-web-developers-to-deprecate-their-css-1f6430781393) forever

- Lara Hogan’s [Donut Manifesto](http://larahogan.me/donuts/)

- Our endless devotion to [Olivia Pope wine glasses](https://www.crateandbarrel.com/camille-23-oz.-red-wine-glass/s544517)

- Final tips from designer and educator [Sam Kapila](http://samkapila.com/)

Many thanks to [The Diaphone](https://thediaphone.bandcamp.com/) for the use of their song, Maths, in our theme music!

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