In the newest episode of The Refining Exchange podcast series "Under The Surface," host Tucker talks shop, the world of tile design, with Fina, the owner of a tile design showroom in California. Throughout the conversation, Fina shares how she loves the challenges and creativity behind tile design. Listeners gain a newfound appreciation for the meticulous attention to detail required to create stunning tile designs and the importance of collaboration between designers, craftsmen, and clients. Whether you're a design enthusiast or a seasoned professional, this episode offers a glimpse into the hidden layers of the tile design industry.