On this West Virginia Morning, how violent is America? On the latest episode of Us & Them, host Trey Kay looks at what crime data really tells us. The Trump administration points to what it calls “out of control” crime rates to deploy federal agents and National Guard troops in a handful of major cities. But the numbers can tell us where crime is the highest, and it may be a surprise. Kay talks with Jeffrey Butts, director of the research and evaluation center and professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. 

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