When you meet Natalie you will notice her colour, humour, honesty, intellect and connection.   She is a leader in disability rights, is the proud mother of  poodles, and is doing great things for the world. This episode has many insights about living with disability,   our ablest society and what we need to do to be more inclusive.

CONTENT WARNING: this conversation includes themes of death.

You can hear more about  Natalie's Law Firm EQ Lawyers at www.equalitylawyers.com.au

Stella Young TED talk can be watched here https://www.ted.com/talks/stella_young_i_m_not_your_inspiration_thank_you_very_much