This is a special episode. Today, Patty is talking with author Judith Nilan. She and Patty had their very first conversation on the podcast and you can listen in to their discussion about Ireland and spirituality and of course, magic. Judith takes people on spiritual tours of Ireland. How fun is that? That’s not what she ever thought would happen. She was working in the non-profit world and on her first trip to Ireland everything changed.

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