In this episode, Caroline speaks with Dr Kathryn Whiteley about her research with women serving life sentences in maximum‑security prisons across different countries. The conversation focuses on how women’s lives, experiences of harm, and pathways into violence are understood within research and criminal justice responses. Kathryn reflects on her documentary Until We Have Faces and what listening to women’s own accounts can offer professionals working with serious harm, trauma, and incarceration.

Content note: This episode includes discussion of violence, stalking, and murder and may be distressing for some listeners.