This show originally aired on the Big Seance Podcast - Ep 132 "Straight Dudes! Get Thyself to a Spirit Triangle!" and was produced by Patrick Keller.

Where are all the straight men in the metaphysical and spiritual communities? Patrick Keller of the Big Seance podcast hosted a "triangle table" chat with Ash Riley of In My Sacred Space and Slade Roberson of Shift Your Spirits.

We talk about ... the divine feminine, LGBTQ spirituality, coming out of the (spiritual) closet, and how to make spirituality more accessible to the elusive straight male.

A fun, lively, original discussion of some rarely approached topics!

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Ash:

I've decided that I am a connector.

Slade:

Yes.

Patrick:

Yes.

Ash:

You should like each other.

Slade:

I feel very much the same way. I consider myself a matchmaker, and I used to do it even when I was in corporate. I would hire people and put them in certain places to work with other people.

I have six marriages that resulted from that and...

Ash:

Holy -----!

Slade:

And there are at least three children that I can claim.

Ash:

You can start a business on that!

Patrick:

I remember you saying that, yeah.

Slade:

I don't know that I could do it if I did it intentionally with a romantic intention involved. But if I do it in the context of maybe work or, yeah, like you said, just recognizing, you guys should know each other.

Like, my Automatic Intuition program has become this party that I host. And whenever I add someone to it, it becomes increasingly more difficult to screen people to become a part of that. You know what I'm saying? It gets to be more and more kind of delicate and intricate.

And that's what I think about when somebody's like, I want to take your program!

I'm thinking, okay, what's the seating chart here, at the dinner table? You know what I mean?

Ash:

I feel like when I meet people that I want to introduce to other people, it's because I feel like they're gonna vibe and it's like a certain energy that I get from them. I feel they're similar.

Slade:

Yeah, I mean I would love it if people would do that to me. I mean, it does happen. People do introduce me to people, but I have become, especially with all this podcasting stuff, really kind of aware of the fact that, it's interesting that you say that, because I feel like my power is in introducing people to other people, also on a scale of like, discovering someone, or finding this person and being like, why aren't thousands of people listening to this woman?

Ash:

Yeah, yeah!

Slade:

You know? And interviewing them and I'm not interested in interviewing people who are already famous, or have more followers than I do, or whatever. Even though Patrick does.

Patrick:

Do you know how many people I've had the opportunity to, and I just go, and I either drop the ball and don't do it, or it just doesn't feel right. And the ones that I have interviewed that have been, you know, bigger names, just like landed in my lap.

Ash:

I've always wanted to... I mean, I have a decent following for what I do and the amount of effort that I put into it. It's not spectacular, but I recognize that I have a much bigger platform than a lot of other people.

When I do meet those people who I think, Gawd, people should know who this person is! That's why I always want to give them an opportunity to be exposed to my audience at least, because I'm like, if I meet somebody and I believe in them and what they're talking about, I think that that's really valuable for other people.

Slade:

Well you're also displaying your talent for recognizing that in other people. And people come to associate you with someone who has cool people on their platform. You know what I mean? I don't want people to feel like I have a bunch of canned interviews, or..

Ash:

Right!

Slade:

I want them to think, Wow! He always finds these people that I would've never known about otherwise but I'm so glad that I do. That's the feeling that I want them to have.

And I also want the people who are on the show to feel like it's a big deal for them. To feel like, either they love the show already so it's really cool for them to get to be on it, or they feel like, Wow, I went on the show and now I have so many more people listening to me. Or I've got so many new clients from that or whatever, and to be really excited about it.

Because we do this stuff so much more frequently now than the average person that we might put on.

There's just an energy about having someone be excited about being a part of what you're doing. And being excited about being a collaborator and it comes through. You can feel it. You know what I mean? When you listen to a show with somebody who's really excited and happy to be there, even if they're kind of nervous or something.

Ash:

Absolutely.

Patrick:

So, I'm just considering this thing started.

Slade:

Well why don't you tell everybody how we met, because I'd love to know what your perspective is on how we all three know each other.

Patrick:

I think I talked a little about it when I had each of you on the show, but I think I talked about it the most when Ash was on the show, and in my... it's not really a previous blogging life, because a podcast is just kind of an extension of what I started doing with the blog.

I met Ash through her blog, and I think when I realized she was from my area, that's when we started talking. I think I had, you might remember this, Ash, I don't know exactly how... If like, I messaged you or you messaged me. Or maybe you commented on my blog or something, but we started communicating pretty regularly.

I had lots of questions for her about my website. She had already been in the blogging world and I was still learning about it. I think we were talking about how I was experiencing the intense early part of my spiritual shift.

We've all talked about this, where I couldn't get enough books about it. And I couldn't stop reading about it and...

Ash:

The information-gathering phase.

Patrick:

Yes! Yes. And I was overwhelmed and I think Ash was like, You know, there's this dude that I need to connect you with because he's real.

That's how I got connected with your blog. I don't think I actually communicated with you until quite a bit later, Slade, but I was following you and learning from you at that time.

Slade:

Cool.

Patrick:

Then I think you reached out to me, Slade, before you started your fabulous podcast and Ash always pops up in topics, like, Ash said this, or Ash is so...

Ash:

SURPRISE! Here I am!

Slade:

From the closet.

Ash:

Like a jack-in-the-box.

Patrick:

By the way everybody, I made Ash sit in her closet because that's the greatest place for someone with a mobile laptop to record for acoustics, and it turns out her closet is basically a spiritual oasis and is beautiful.

Slade:

There's fashion in there too.

Patrick:

Yes!

Ash:

When I come out of the broom closet, it's like literally the spiritual broom closet here.

Slade:

It really is what I would expect your closet to be in the best kind of way. My closets are very suburban and not exciting at all. They are arranged by ROYGBIV and they all have the same exact hanger on every item of clothing, I will say that. Those are my two.

Ash:

You're not OCD either.

Slade:

No, not at all.

I have a south node in Virgo, I've discovered, which is where I get all my perfectionism in this lifetime from.

Ash:

I have a south node in Sagittarius, which is where I get all of my bluntness.

Slade:

Oh good! I like Sagittarius energy. We can trust it. That we're getting the exact, undistilled, unvarnished...

Ash:

The unvarnished truth.

Slade:

Yes. I like that. I like that quality.

Patrick:

I just wanted to tell people that we were, when we decided to do this, I don't know whose idea it was first, but it just...

Ash:

It was me! I said we should do this. It would be like the Avengers except with a better ending than Age of Ultron.

Patrick:

It just makes sense that it happened, because...

Slade:

We end up talking about each other anyway. If any two of us are together, the other person's name gets invoked, so...

Patrick:

Yes.

Ash:

We're like the Holy Trinity.

Patrick:

Yes!

And by way of joking, it's funny. We discussed what we were going to talk about and I don't know if you guys ended up being serious, but I was just joking and coming up with all these funny, ha ha things just to entertain people.

And it ended up that we came up with the curious thing that there are more women and gay men in our spiritual, psychic, metaphysical world, and not a lot of straight men. Like, what's up with straight men? Where are the straight men?

And I think Ash said something like, I think I copied and pasted it here, she said something like... Hang on...

Slade:

He's got receipts, Ash.

Patrick:

I apparently didn't copy. But you said something funny about, "Where are the straight men at, yo?" Or...Oh! I know! "When are straight men gonna get their sh*t together??" is what you said. Something like that.

Ash:

Yeah!

Slade:

Mmm... I have some theories about why it is a women-gay-men alliance predominantly. That's pretty easy to speak to. And it's so weird because when we were joking about this topic, we're kind of joking about it but then I was like, That's actually kind of a real thing that I observe all the time.

It came up in conversation with so many people over the next few days.

Ash:

Oh, really?

Slade:

There were other people who commented on it as well. It came up in a really super woo-woo way when someone told me, at the teahouse I go to, the next day, she brought up the fact that a lot of women were murdered for witchcraft during the Inquisition are reincarnating at this time. And that there were a lot of gay men that were crucified along with them. That is a very common lore, or whatever.

It's where the term 'faggot' literally comes from.

Patrick:

Ooo explain that more. How does that...?

Slade:

Well, they burned them along with the witches but in the context of like, Okay, we're going to have this big grand inquisition inquiry public burning to kill 1 or 2 or 3 women at a time, but then they just take a handful of queers and throw them in just as kindling, just to dispose of them. It wasn't even like, they didn't even waste a lot of energy on having a specific murder event for us, you know?

So the term 'faggot' refers to kindling, sticks that you throw in the fire to help it start burning. And that's kind of one of the origins of that disparaging term, or whatever.

So I was talking to this woman the day after you and I, the three of us, were kind of tossing that concept around. Where are all the straight dudes?? She just came out of nowhere with this idea that those souls are reincarnating right now.

And I'm not a huge past-life, reincarnation, that's not a rabbit hole that I go down really often. But I will always engage anyone in a conversation about it that wants to talk about it.

Yeah, she was like, "There's all these witches, the souls of all these women, who have chosen to reincarnate at this time."

It's, you know, I'm just passing it on.

Ash:

You just recently did an interview with Susan Grace, which is a long-time friend of mine as well. One of the things that she talks about pretty regularly is how... I would need to go back and... I think she's mentioned it in every single reading she's done for me in the last year.

Astrologically, we're coming back around through a cycle, and I can't remember which planet it is, but...

Patrick:

I can read your comment. Or actually it's Slade's comment. Slade said that she said something about the planetoid Regulus causing a 2,000 reign of men. That is over in 2020.

Ash:

So I think that might be what she's talking about, is the last time this happened was, it put us into the Dark Ages, which was the time when women were being burned at the stake for being witches. It was a suppression of the feminine.

That cycle is ending in the next five years. And it's kind of coming on right now. So you're seeing a lot of that collective pain and energy from that time coming up from beneath the surface for healing.

Patrick:

Mmm...

Slade:

I like the thought of it being kind of a cultural zeitgeist, or like an ancestral DNA kind of thing where it's just in our collective psyche to deal with that again. So I don't even think it has to be as literal a story as 'those souls are reincarnating', like they're all hanging out, going, "Okay, now's the time. Let's go y'all!"

Like it's a suffragette march.

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