Break Some Dishes

Unlabeling the Future: Gender, Work & The Climate Challenge


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In this episode, Jon and Verda go live from Chicago, at the Gensler Principal's Retreat to unpack some of the issues shaping the design industry. Amanda Schneider, of ThinkLab, is back and joins us on stage for a three-part conversation on how unspoken norms around gender and power influence who leads, whose needs are prioritized in design, and how inclusive leadership can drive climate resilience. Amanda shares her research in how generational shifts, and specifically the perspective of Generation Z, are reshaping the way we think about work. Together, we reflect on how expectations placed on women at work, at home, and in leadership are evolving, and how letting go of rigid labels may open the door to a more inclusive, sustainable future.


Referenced Work:

Invisible Women: Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado Perez

The book Jon and Verda have been reading this season about how male-default bias shapes everything we design from transit systems to disaster response

A deep dive into how corporate structures reinforce gendered power

This Changes Everything

A Documentary film that looks at gender disparity in Hollywood

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