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Nathan speaks to Wendell Potter (@wendellpotter), a former vice president of communications for the health insurance company Cigna, who has since made it his mission to expose the pathologies of the insurance industry. Tune in to hear how to persuade someone to support universal healthcare; also, tune in to hear the secret codename the insurance industry has for Michael Moore.

Wendell's book Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans: https://wendellpotter.com/books/deadly-spin/

This episode was edited by Dan Thorn of Pink Noise Studios in Somerville, MA.