In Episode 40 of White Women Wake Up, Karen and Jonelle turn their attention to ableism and its everyday impact. They explore how neurodivergent people are often pressured to mask to fit into neurotypical expectations, and why this demand for assimilation can be harmful rather than supportive. Drawing from teaching, personal experience, and lived realities, the hosts highlight how good intentions—like “modeling” behavior—can unintentionally reinforce exclusion. Instead, real inclusion begins with asking what success and support look like for each individual, and trusting the answers given. From autism and ADHD to dyslexia, anxiety, and more, they call for a shift in perspective: valuing difference as strength rather than a deficit. This conversation reminds listeners that creating inclusive spaces is not about making people conform, but about reshaping systems, classrooms, and workplaces to honor the full spectrum of human diversity.

Calls to Action

• Notice ableism when it hides behind conformity or correction.
• Ask directly: What does support look like for you?
• Advocate for systems that value difference as strength.

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