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Unpacking Voter Rights, Executive Orders and Constitutional Limits with Trevor Potter


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What if the very foundation of American democracy—your right to vote, the legitimacy of elections, and the independence of government agencies—were more precarious than you thought?

In this eye-opening episode of Unconventional Times, host Richard Gordon sits down with Trevor Potter—former Federal Election Commission (FEC) commissioner, president and founder of the Campaign Legal Center, and legal advisor to both John McCain and Stephen Colbert—for a no-holds-barred conversation on the state of American democracy in the wake of the 2024 election and the Trump administration’s sweeping changes.


Key Highlights:

  • Democracy on the Brink: Trevor and Richard pull back the curtain on ongoing threats to democratic norms, including mass firings of federal employees, dismantling of key agencies, and changes to voting rules that could impact future elections.
  • Voter Integrity—Myth vs. Reality: They break down the “big lie” that non-citizens are swinging elections, exploring evidence (or the lack thereof) behind this claim and the potential real-world harm of laws like the SAVE Act.
  • Birthright Citizenship Under Attack: Trevor explains the legal battles over the Fourteenth Amendment and why birthright citizenship is being targeted, along with what’s really at stake for millions of Americans.
  • The Role of Independent Agencies: Get the inside track on Trump’s moves to fire officials at agencies like the FEC, and what it means for checks and balances in government.
  • Defending the Defenders: Learn about unprecedented executive orders targeting law firms and attorneys who defend democratic institutions—and why defending the rule of law matters more than ever.

Ready to take action? Remember, as Richard likes to say, there are even years and odd years, but never off years when it comes to democracy. Register to vote, stay informed, and hold your leaders accountable.

Catch the full episode on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts. For more information, check out unconventionaltimes.com. Stay unconventional.


Timestamped Overview

00:00 American Democracy: Constitutional Concerns

06:14 Strengthening Democracy and Election Integrity

09:58 "Voting Equality and Election Law"

12:27 Election Fairness Paradox Discussion

17:53 Voter Registration and Non-Citizen Misunderstandings

20:30 Citizenship Proof for Voter Registration

23:53 Voter Registration Name Change Hurdles

27:56 Voting Proof Requirement Challenges

31:00 Fourteenth Amendment: Citizenship Redefined

33:39 Trump's Executive Orders on Citizenship

39:06 Nationwide Injunction Judicial Challenges

41:33 Restoring Voting Rights for Ex-Felons

44:11 Presidential Abuse of Power Allegations

50:57 Presidential Control Over Agencies Dispute


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