This week on the Net Zero Business Podcast, I talk politics with Michael Liebreich, one of the foremost commentators and advisors on the clean energy transition, a former Olympic skier and co-host of Cleaning Up, my second favourite podcast.

Here's a selection of what we cover:

• How the UK Labour Government has fared on its commitment to green growth (we recorded before the Heathrow announcement)
• The imperative of driving down consumer electricity bills
• Why Michael told the Conservative party to commit to Net Zero or die
• Trump's petrostate vision, vs China's electrostate
• Whether hydrogen and CCS are distractions
• Dirty money in politics and the PR industry

The episode of Cleaning Up with Michael and Adair Turner can be found here.

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