Mark Charles joins the show today in a conversation about race and conciliation for the nation. Mark is a speaker, writer, and consultant, and his book Unsettling Truths inspired Rob to reach out for this episode. You can learn more about Mark at wirelesshogan.com, and purchase his book here. See below for more links mentioned in the show!

• 0:00 Intro
• 0:43 Episode starts
• 1:43 Jes checks in with Rob
• 3:55 Rob checks in with Jes
• 6:43 Mark joins the conversation
• 7:01 Mark gives a traditional introduction
• 8:34 Jes provides some background on Mark
• 9:34 What is your story?
• 21:05 What is the doctrine of discovery?
• 26:59 What role do narratives play in perpetuating unjust systems?
• 32:29 Interlude
• 34:36 What is historical trauma?
• 46:31 Has your book had the response you were hoping for, and is it playing the role you wanted?
• 51:52 What role can listeners play
• 58:21 Debrief
• 59:17 Rob's takeaways
• 62:06 Jes's takeaways
• 71:00 Outro

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• Jes Averhart, cofounder of Black Wallstreet Homecoming
• Rob Shields, executive director of the Recity Network.

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• Ben Azevedo, owner of Bear Cave Audio

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