Tech veteran, local entrepreneur and founder and executive director of the Pan-African Center for Empowerment (PACE)Arif Gursel stops by and holds forth on how "entrepreneurship" is just a fancy word for "hustle," recounting how he learned that as a young boy in a snowstorm.  He and Ian connect on the need for black and POC spaces in innovation and tech just like other areas because structural biases don't magically disappear when there's profit at stake.  Ian is then joined by CoBuy founder Matthew Holmes, a former financier who's new startup is devoted to allowing groups of unrelated or unmarried people take part in home-ownership, even in an accelerating Seattle market.  Both founders left words of wisdom and calls for listeners to engage in their projects.