Like its predecessor, this episode of the Scrum is a largely coronavirus-free zone. Peter Kadzis and Adam Reilly wrap up their conversation with Lizabeth Cohen, whose Bancroft-winning new biography of Ed Logue argues that the former Boston planning head and the concepts he championed have been unfairly maligned of late. (This part of the convo runs from Kevin White to the present; you’ll get a lot more out of it if you’ve already heard the first installment, which starts *way* back with James Michael Curley.)

But first…times being being what they are, it’s impossible to avoid the convergence of COVID-19 and politics. For a few minutes at the outset, Kadzis and Reilly ponder whether — as a listener or two has suggested — their assessment of Governor Charlie Baker’s leadership in the previous episode may have been overly generous.