Do you have to believe in magic for it to work? Elizabeth Bromstein doesn't think so. Written after leaving her white collar marketing job to create perfume and read tarot full-time, her book "No Magic Required" explores symbolic systems, behavioural science, and teaches about tarot.

This conversation delves into the personal, the magical, and the mysterious while sprinkling of humour, connection, and our best fruit salad recipes into the fray 🍒

*This episode contains mature themes and language

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