Today, our guest is Brian Abernethy. Brian is the founder of Utopaya, a boutique firm helping vertical SaaS companies with their payments. We discuss the history of integrated and embedded payments, the emergence of PayFac and Payfac as a service, and what software companies really need to drive their payments businesses ahead.

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