This podcast transcript argues against the common perception of "utopia" as a naive, unattainable fantasy. Instead, it posits that utopian thinking, when understood as a method, can be a powerful tool for critiquing existing systems and actively building better societies. The core arguments are structured around Ruth Levitas's three-step method for utopian thinking and the concept of prefigurative politics, exemplified by the real-world implementation of Democratic Confederalism in Rojava.