Wesley Smith & Tony D’Orazio; In Part One: Wesley who is Sr. Fellow at Discovery Institute’s Center on Human Exceptionalism discusses whether “Vaccine Passports” will become a reality in order for Americans to engage in commerce. In Part Two: Tony who is founder of Jacob’s Ladder Special Needs Fitness discusses the journey he and his wife have been on to provide a full life for Jacob their Down Syndrome son which led them to their ministry in providing support for others like Jacob in the