In today’s episode, we’re talking to Pat Flynn, the owner of Smart Passive Income, one of the world’s most popular blogs and podcasts about running an online business.

He’s also the Wall Street Journal bestseller of Will It Fly, his book that’s designed to teach you how to test your business idea so you don’t waste time and money.

Special thanks to our sponsor for this episode, Freshbooks: Cloud accounting for freelancers, solopreneurs and side hustlers.