we discuss what it means to do polarizing work, the fear of being misunderstood, peter “petra” vack, warning labels on artwork, her film ACTORS, the cult of children and babies, cashing in on the sacred, living anonymously in the abyss, ASSHOLES, fetishism of trans aesthetics in a culture of fear, the master of cum, finding your voice, attachment to the struggle, The Scary Of Sixty-First, Dasha Nekrasova, being exposed vs being demonized, dealing with the messy to balance the calm, the idea of ourselves as the prison, NPC oblivion, overcoming a creative paralysis by breaking the paralysis of identity, and love.

Betsey Brown is an actor, director and sister who is in the final throes  of finishing her film ACTORS, which she sent me before we recorded this sode. It’s not available to watch just yet, but the answer to “why” sort of lives in this podcast.

Warning: this episode contains certain “triggers” but we want you to feel them, that's the point.