You know that time when you ended up at a bar with one of the smartest, most future-focused engineers you've ever met and you asked him (or her) a bunch of pretty basic questions about AR, VR, and AI? This episode of the Real Leaders podcast is a bit like that, except I get to feel like the neophyte asking the questions, both speakers stayed sober, and you get to be in awe of the way the complex mind of Vikas Reddy -- co-founder of spatial computing company Occipital -- can operate at the highest and most relatable levels in the highly complex space his company is charting.

It's a great listen. A wonderful startup founder. A really nice and generous guy. A story of true long-term devotion to finding the nexus between the power of technology and pragmatic ways to use it to make human lives better.