In this episode, Valerie and Casey explore the difference between pure evil villains and those who are humanized, covering antagonists from every type of story imaginable: Emperor Palpatine, Sauron, Voldemort, Thanos, the Joker, Lady Catherine in Pride & Prejudice, and Dunkleman in Netflix's Tall Girl (?). Plus, Valerie suggests "Sheev" as a baby middle name, and Casey reveals how the Mouth of Sauron convinced him to marry Valerie. Find us on Twitter and Instagram @elsewhere_pod.