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Episode #6
“Trust the pause, not the voice.”
Voice clones and live-meeting deepfakes have collapsed the gap between “that would never happen here” and “finance just sent the wire.”
In this episode, host Eliot Baker sits down with Dr Jessica Barker MBE to discuss her book , 'Hacked' and to dissect two escalating threats - virtual kidnaps by voice clone and executive impersonation on Teams/Zoom.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
How virtual kidnapping scams use short audio to clone a loved one’s voice and what the attackers really want
Why emotions (panic, urgency, flattery) are the exploit, and how to train the “pause-verify” reflex
A breakdown of the fake-CFO-on-Teams play, and the checks that stop it
How to design culture as a control: empathy, non-judgmental reporting, and faster incident response
Story-first, stats-supported communication that changes behavior (not just awareness)
What to teach employees’ families about clone calls without fearmongering
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:24) Dr. Jessica Barker's Background in Cybersecurity
(01:47) Receiving the MBE: An Honor in Cybersecurity
(03:44) The Importance of Storytelling in Cybersecurity
(06:37) Real-Life Cybersecurity Stories
(11:42) The Rise of AI and Deepfake Threats
(21:56) Combating Social Engineering Attacks
(26:53) Effective Communication in Cybersecurity
(33:40) Key Takeaways for Security Awareness Leaders
(36:47) Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Resources:
- Our guide to to deepfakes: https://hoxhunt.com/blog/deepfake-attacks
- Hoxhunt's HRM playbook: https://hoxhunt.com/guide/human-risk-management-playbook
- Hacked: The Secrets Behind Cyber Attacks: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hacked-Uncovering-Strategies-Secrets-Attacks/dp/1398613703
Host links:
Eliot Baker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliotebaker/
Dr Jessica Barker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-barker/
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All Things Human Risk Management is a Hoxhunt Original Podcast.
Hoxhunt is the Human Risk Management platform that goes beyond security awareness to drive behavior change and measurably lower risk.
Data breaches start with people, so Hoxhunt does too. It combines AI and behavioral science to create individualized micro-training experiences people love.
Hoxhunt works with leading global companies such as Airbus, IGT, DocuSign, Nokia, AES, Avanade, and Kärcher and partners with leading global cybersecurity companies such as Microsoft and Deloitte.
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By HoxhuntEpisode #6
“Trust the pause, not the voice.”
Voice clones and live-meeting deepfakes have collapsed the gap between “that would never happen here” and “finance just sent the wire.”
In this episode, host Eliot Baker sits down with Dr Jessica Barker MBE to discuss her book , 'Hacked' and to dissect two escalating threats - virtual kidnaps by voice clone and executive impersonation on Teams/Zoom.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
How virtual kidnapping scams use short audio to clone a loved one’s voice and what the attackers really want
Why emotions (panic, urgency, flattery) are the exploit, and how to train the “pause-verify” reflex
A breakdown of the fake-CFO-on-Teams play, and the checks that stop it
How to design culture as a control: empathy, non-judgmental reporting, and faster incident response
Story-first, stats-supported communication that changes behavior (not just awareness)
What to teach employees’ families about clone calls without fearmongering
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:24) Dr. Jessica Barker's Background in Cybersecurity
(01:47) Receiving the MBE: An Honor in Cybersecurity
(03:44) The Importance of Storytelling in Cybersecurity
(06:37) Real-Life Cybersecurity Stories
(11:42) The Rise of AI and Deepfake Threats
(21:56) Combating Social Engineering Attacks
(26:53) Effective Communication in Cybersecurity
(33:40) Key Takeaways for Security Awareness Leaders
(36:47) Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Resources:
- Our guide to to deepfakes: https://hoxhunt.com/blog/deepfake-attacks
- Hoxhunt's HRM playbook: https://hoxhunt.com/guide/human-risk-management-playbook
- Hacked: The Secrets Behind Cyber Attacks: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hacked-Uncovering-Strategies-Secrets-Attacks/dp/1398613703
Host links:
Eliot Baker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliotebaker/
Dr Jessica Barker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-barker/
****
All Things Human Risk Management is a Hoxhunt Original Podcast.
Hoxhunt is the Human Risk Management platform that goes beyond security awareness to drive behavior change and measurably lower risk.
Data breaches start with people, so Hoxhunt does too. It combines AI and behavioral science to create individualized micro-training experiences people love.
Hoxhunt works with leading global companies such as Airbus, IGT, DocuSign, Nokia, AES, Avanade, and Kärcher and partners with leading global cybersecurity companies such as Microsoft and Deloitte.