In this episode of the ShipTalk podcast, co-host Eric Minick talks with Lukas Gentele, co-founder and CEO of LoftLabs, about revolutionizing Kubernetes infrastructure through virtualization. Lukas shares his entrepreneurial journey starting from age 16 and explains how his company pivoted to create vcluster, a technology that virtualizes Kubernetes control planes similar to how VMs virtualize physical machines. They discuss the inefficiencies of running many small Kubernetes clusters versus optimizing resources with virtual clusters, the impact on developer workflows, and innovative approaches to CI/CD testing environments. Whether you're looking to optimize cloud costs or improve your development experience with Kubernetes, this episode offers practical insights into the future of container orchestration infrastructure.