In this episode, Pastor Reggie chats with Pastor Ben Freitag from Summit Church in St. Paul, Minnesota. Pastor Ben discusses the topic leading through relationship, and why as leaders we MUST learn to lead this way in order to influence the people around us more effectively.

Practical ways to open conversation:

1. Figure out who will lead the conversation.

2. Listen - Understand - Acknowledge - Engage.

3. Find their sweet spot. (ie. sports, music, faith, etc.)

Book Reference: 11 Indispensable Relationships You Can't Be Without by Leonard Sweet