Carolyn and Peter react to a message given by Texas State Representative James Talarico (sermon in his home church from 2023), while reflecting on some recent events for Rev David Black of First Presbyterian Church in Chicago and Rutgers University Professor Mark Bray. 

And some bookish chat on Larry Niven's The Second Coming and the Millennium Series of novels started by Stieg Larsson. 

The other book mentioned by Peter was The Last Day by Glenn Kleier.