Eddie Inzauto and Christos Reid welcome Big Red Potion Podcast host Sinan Kubba to Versus Node for a stimulating discussion of games as art, as well as Michael Jackson, mergers, jiggle physics, and more.

00:00 - Welcome! Introductions.

01:44 - What we've been playing.

01:49 - Sinan's been playing...

03:47 - Christos has been playing...

06:20 - Eddie's been playing...

07:33 - News.

07:38 - Michael Jackson's death.

12:25 - Zenimax Media buying id.

13:30 - Bethesda building FPS library.

14:51 - Mark Jacobs leaving Mythic.

16:43 - Koei Tecmo Ltd. merger.

17:40 - Jiggle physics.

18:53 - Japan's videogame porn.

21:23 - The human form is artistic.

21:51 - Games as art discussion.

22:36 - What is art?

32:19 - Art as it applies to games.

33:53 - Art vs. high art. Where do games lie?

35:18 - Braid artists vs. Van Gogh.

39:00 - The art of creation.

39:39 - What's more important: audio/visual or deeper meaning?

41:50 - Taking the author out of the equation.

45:05 - Observation and apprectiation without preconception.

46:38 - Poetic and literary depth. Interpretation.

48:44 - Where does the art lie? Game, gamer, or designer?

51:51 - Thanks and outro.

Intro music, "Downstream" by Shira Kammen, from Jonathan Blow's Braid 2008. "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" by Michael Jackson, 1979.