In this episode of the podcast Will is joined by the former First Minister of Wales and Leader of the Welsh Labour Party from 2009 to 2018 Carwyn Jones. They discuss the changes in Wales since the establishment of the Senedd, his time as First Minister of Wales, the Welsh Independence movement, David Cameron's dealings with Lex Greensill, the future of the UK and how Labour can regain areas it lost in the 2019 UK General Election. 

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