Joey Hungerford interviews Andy Fleming about his new book "Walking in the Light", written out of research sparked by challenges around church discipline, public warnings, and disfellowship, but focused mainly on cultivating open, transparent relationships that keep churches healthy and prevent crises. Andy discusses why Matthew 18 is difficult to follow, what happens when conflict is avoided, and how discipline should be an extension of love rather than a leadership announcement. He argues for leadership transparency about decision-making principles, and describes a practice he developed in 1990s Moscow: involving a person’s closest relationships in a focused group that pleads for repentance and, if necessary, confirms the need for next steps. Andy emphasizes confessing weaknesses and temptations before sin, warns against unnecessary details, and notes his book includes end-of-chapter discussion questions and models for the Matthew 18 church discipline process. Order "Walking in the Light": https://ipibooks.com/products/walking-in-the-light00:00 Welcome and Introductions00:57 Why Write the Book02:26 Why Matthew 18 Is Hard04:21 Discipline as Church Love06:56 Confession Before Sin08:21 Transparent Leadership Decisions09:56 Friends Led Intervention Model11:59 What Writing Taught Me16:03 Confession Without Details18:22 Encouragement and Study Questions19:21 Other Books by Andy22:34 Where to Find More