Joseph and Michael discuss episode 4 of House of the Dragon "The King of the Narrow Sea" an episode where everyone makes mistakes and no one really comes out on top. This is the truest form of House of the Dragon where no one is a hero and no one is a villain. They are all morally grey.

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In this episode they discuss, Daemon's attempts to ruin his niece, Ser Criston Cole's inner turmoil, Alicent struggling with her marriage and her role as a Queen Consort, and the hypocrisy of King Viserys. That and much more in this episode of Back Into Thrones.