Erica Gies visits the Water Shelf podcast to talk about her fantastic and internationally distributed recent book, Water Always Wins: Thriving in an Age of Drought and Deluge (University of Chicago Press, 2022).

Ms. Gies is an independent journalist covering science and the environment from Victoria, British Columbia, and San Francisco, California. Her work appears in the New York Times, Scientific American, Nature, Ensia, The Economist, bioGraphic, National Geographic, and other outlets.