In this episode of Hot & Dry we talk with Julia Bernal about the Pueblo Action Alliance, her recent experience traveling to DC to deliver a totem and checking in on "Auntie Deb" (Secretary of the Interior, Deb Haaland), and the Water Back movement. We ask Julia whether the changes that need to happen for the Water Back and other campaigns she's involved with can happen within the existing dominant paradigm, or whether a more dramatic change is needed. Tune in!