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“We all need our own philosophy”
This conversation is part of an ongoing series of conversations with fellow writers including several on Substack such as Michael Mohr Lyle McKeany Sam Kahn Andy Johns Scott Britton and Sex at Dawn author Chris Ryan as well as others including addiction expert Dr. Adi Jaffe, master coaches Michael Lipson and Robert Ellis, ultra-runner Charlie Engle and legendary sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson.
Today’s conversation is between Latham Turner the writer behind Get Real, Man and Bowen Dwelle who writes at An Ordinary Disaster, which includes his serialized memoir of the same name.
Latham and I got together recently for a deep and wide-ranging conversation covering writing to explore, how “adventure doesn’t happen by accident,” writing as men and the transition into being an older man, using research in storytelling, how “we all need our own philosophy,” the challenge of positive confrontation and “the Goat Work,” how we relate to our immediate geography, long-distance walking, wayfinding, personal spirituality, the gods we’re praying as — and, of course, what we’re working on next.
If you value authentic, honest, deep, vulnerable conversations between working writers, we think you’ll get a lot out of this discussion.
Following the interview are links to some of our writing, some other writers of memoir on Substack, and some questions for you. We’d love to hear from you!
Our Conversation
Use the audio player at the top of the page, or watch the interview here ⬇️
⭐️⭐️ THANK YOU FOR LISTENING⭐️⭐️
Some of our own writing
* Latham: The Men’s Movement is Dead; Long Live the Men’s Movement
* Bowen: The Man Pays—on the bittersweet joy of being child-free
* Latham: What Will You Die For —on developing a personal philosophy of life
* Bowen: I’m Here to Tell the Truth—the introduction and table of contents to my serialized memoir, An Ordinary Disaster.
Latham and I will both be posting a piece this coming week on the theme of “Recovery” from a group of men including ourselves, Joshua Doležal Michael Mohr Dee Rambeau and Lyle McKeany. You may recall our previous series on “Fatherhood” from September. Be on the lookout for Latham’s piece on December 11 and Bowen’s on the 13th!
Subscribe for more
Latham writes Get Real, Man — a newsletter about growing up after you’ve become an adult. It’s part memoir, part essays, but always exploration of an authentic life.
Bowen’s writing at An Ordinary Disaster includes memoir and personal essay on men, adventure, addiction, depression, love and money.
Other writers we recommend on Substack
Inner Life and The Recovering Academic Of a Sober Mind Michael Mohr's Sincere American WritingJust Enough to Get Me in Trouble Deep Fix Sparks from Culture by David Roberts The Bright Life Make Me Good Soil The Unspeakable with Meghan Daum visa's voltaic verses ⚡️ The Abbey of Misrule Tangentially Speaking with Chris Ryan Homegrown Humans Newsletter Eleanor’s Substack Poetic Outlaws Siesta in the Storm The Ghost
Further Reading and Listening
* 📚 The Denial of Death, by Ernest Becker
* 📚 The Flowering Wand: Rewilding the Sacred Masculine, by Sophie Strand
* 📚 Of Boys and Men by Richard V Reeves
* 🎧 Finding Your Soul in The Darkness w/ Francis Weller on Mark Groves podcast
* 🎧 The Evolution of Masculinity w/ Chris Ryan on The Mythic Masculine podcast
* 📚 Bowen’s complete “for men” reading list.
We’ve got some questions for you
* If you’re a writer, what has writing done for you? And if you’re a reader, what do you get from your time spent reading?
* What is your own relationship to adventure and exploring? What’s familiar—and what would be a new challenge?
* How much does the place where you are impact you, as a writer and as a person?
* If you have children (or even if you don’t, but just care about a child in your life), what are the stories and models you want to raise them with?
* What makes you feel like a whole person? What have you learned becoming your whole self that you would share with others?
* Who else needs to be in this conversation about masculinity and men? Who would you point out as positive role models?
Did you enjoy this conversation? Use the heart ♡ below to let us know
👇🏻
Get full access to An Ordinary Disaster at bowendwelle.substack.com/subscribe
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This conversation is part of an ongoing series of conversations with fellow writers including several on Substack such as Michael Mohr Lyle McKeany Sam Kahn Andy Johns Scott Britton and Sex at Dawn author Chris Ryan as well as others including addiction expert Dr. Adi Jaffe, master coaches Michael Lipson and Robert Ellis, ultra-runner Charlie Engle and legendary sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson.
Today’s conversation is between Latham Turner the writer behind Get Real, Man and Bowen Dwelle who writes at An Ordinary Disaster, which includes his serialized memoir of the same name.
Latham and I got together recently for a deep and wide-ranging conversation covering writing to explore, how “adventure doesn’t happen by accident,” writing as men and the transition into being an older man, using research in storytelling, how “we all need our own philosophy,” the challenge of positive confrontation and “the Goat Work,” how we relate to our immediate geography, long-distance walking, wayfinding, personal spirituality, the gods we’re praying as — and, of course, what we’re working on next.
If you value authentic, honest, deep, vulnerable conversations between working writers, we think you’ll get a lot out of this discussion.
Following the interview are links to some of our writing, some other writers of memoir on Substack, and some questions for you. We’d love to hear from you!
Our Conversation
Use the audio player at the top of the page, or watch the interview here ⬇️
⭐️⭐️ THANK YOU FOR LISTENING⭐️⭐️
Some of our own writing
* Latham: The Men’s Movement is Dead; Long Live the Men’s Movement
* Bowen: The Man Pays—on the bittersweet joy of being child-free
* Latham: What Will You Die For —on developing a personal philosophy of life
* Bowen: I’m Here to Tell the Truth—the introduction and table of contents to my serialized memoir, An Ordinary Disaster.
Latham and I will both be posting a piece this coming week on the theme of “Recovery” from a group of men including ourselves, Joshua Doležal Michael Mohr Dee Rambeau and Lyle McKeany. You may recall our previous series on “Fatherhood” from September. Be on the lookout for Latham’s piece on December 11 and Bowen’s on the 13th!
Subscribe for more
Latham writes Get Real, Man — a newsletter about growing up after you’ve become an adult. It’s part memoir, part essays, but always exploration of an authentic life.
Bowen’s writing at An Ordinary Disaster includes memoir and personal essay on men, adventure, addiction, depression, love and money.
Other writers we recommend on Substack
Inner Life and The Recovering Academic Of a Sober Mind Michael Mohr's Sincere American WritingJust Enough to Get Me in Trouble Deep Fix Sparks from Culture by David Roberts The Bright Life Make Me Good Soil The Unspeakable with Meghan Daum visa's voltaic verses ⚡️ The Abbey of Misrule Tangentially Speaking with Chris Ryan Homegrown Humans Newsletter Eleanor’s Substack Poetic Outlaws Siesta in the Storm The Ghost
Further Reading and Listening
* 📚 The Denial of Death, by Ernest Becker
* 📚 The Flowering Wand: Rewilding the Sacred Masculine, by Sophie Strand
* 📚 Of Boys and Men by Richard V Reeves
* 🎧 Finding Your Soul in The Darkness w/ Francis Weller on Mark Groves podcast
* 🎧 The Evolution of Masculinity w/ Chris Ryan on The Mythic Masculine podcast
* 📚 Bowen’s complete “for men” reading list.
We’ve got some questions for you
* If you’re a writer, what has writing done for you? And if you’re a reader, what do you get from your time spent reading?
* What is your own relationship to adventure and exploring? What’s familiar—and what would be a new challenge?
* How much does the place where you are impact you, as a writer and as a person?
* If you have children (or even if you don’t, but just care about a child in your life), what are the stories and models you want to raise them with?
* What makes you feel like a whole person? What have you learned becoming your whole self that you would share with others?
* Who else needs to be in this conversation about masculinity and men? Who would you point out as positive role models?
Did you enjoy this conversation? Use the heart ♡ below to let us know
👇🏻
Get full access to An Ordinary Disaster at bowendwelle.substack.com/subscribe