Two college sophomores. Zero connections. A wild real estate deal gone wrong.

In this episode, we unpack how our friendship began in Taiwan and evolved into launching businesses together — from flipping burgers at Killer Burger and working at Nike, to launching an e-commerce brand and jumping into real estate wholesaling (including a sketchy deal in Scappoose, OR that ended in a dog chase).

We debate whether intangibles like hunger and self-awareness matter more than a résumé, break down each other's strengths and weaknesses, and share raw advice after wrapping up sophomore year at NYU.

This one’s about friendship, risk, failure, growth — and figuring it all out in real time.