Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

• Focus on Solutions (2:06)
• Call for Optimism (4:43)
• Welcoming Panama to the Show (6:26)
• Panama's Background (10:03)
• Maintaining Optimism (13:54)
• Reframing the Conversation (17:09)
• Chef Insider Program (20:33)
• Challenges with Gas Competition (23:44)
• Future of Gas Investments (25:58)
• Real-World Data on Heat Pumps (27:29)
• Neighborhood Electrification Strategy (30:20)
• Pilot Projects and Early Successes (33:21)
• Utility Tariffs for Electrification (34:58)
• Legislative Concerns in California (37:22)
• Advice for Future Climate Leaders (39:01)
• Optimism in Sustainability (45:13)
• Final Thoughts and Takeaways (46:48)

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