Grant sits down with Dr. Modica — professor, researcher, and author — for a thoughtful conversation about race, racial identity, and why discussing these topics has become so difficult in today’s polarized culture. They explore the difference between individual prejudice and systemic racism, clarify misconceptions around DEI, and discuss why terms like “woke,” “CRT,” and “Christian nationalism” have been distorted in public discourse.Drawing from her research and real classroom experiences, Dr. Modica shares how listening to different perspectives helps us move beyond defensiveness and toward understanding. This episode is about honest conversation, curiosity, and seeing the humanity in one another.

Explore Dr. Marianne Modica’s work:
Website: https://mariannemodica.com/
Blog: https://risforrace.blogspot.com/