In today's episode, I chat with Mike Ellis, co-founder at Kale Acquisition, about building end-to-end cold email systems for companies selling to local businesses—restaurants, home services, and anyone with a geographic dimension to their sales—and why the $1.5M in closed revenue they generated for their best client in about a year had nothing to do with a fancy Clay table and everything to do with offer clarity, deliverability, and staying inside the revenue conversation long after the lead was generated. 

We explore Mike's philosophy on agency retention: the agencies that churn clients in three months are the ones who stop at reply rates, while the ones that stick around for years are the ones who can show attributable closed revenue—making it a question of "do you want to pay us $10K a month or lose $1M a year?" He also shares how a client that started at $5K a month is now paying $21K, purely because they crushed the first initiative and earned trust to expand. His take on local business outbound: there are no signals like there are in B2B SaaS, so cold email creates the signal rather than capturing it—and with 33 million SMBs in the US largely ignored by Silicon Valley, the TAM is enormous and far less saturated. His prediction: distribution and brand within a niche will matter more than Clay skills, deliverability will become even more of a pay-to-play game, and cold email won't die—it'll just keep getting harder for people who aren't serious about infrastructure. Mike shares his path from electrical engineering to summer house painting where he fell in love with sales, to BDR at a SaaS company that went from $500K to $10M ARR largely through cold email, to co-founding Kale with Roshan and being early Clay experts before the expert program even properly existed. His advice: work at an agency first if you're starting from zero—you'll get best practices, vendor relationships, and brand leverage faster than wandering in the dark. 

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(00:00) Introduction to Outbound Wizards 
(00:21) What Kale Acquisition Does: Cold Email Systems for Local Business Sellers 
(01:09) From Electrical Engineering to BDR at a $500K to $10M ARR SaaS Company 
(03:07) Being Early Clay Experts and Finding the Local Business Niche 
(03:44) $1.5M in Closed Revenue: Why Results Come From Offer Clarity, Not Clay Complexity 
(05:10) Stay Inside the Revenue Conversation: The Retention Secret Most Agencies Miss 
(06:53) $5K to $21K a Month: What Expansion Looks Like When You Earn Trust 
(08:37) Local Business TAM: Creating Signal Instead of Capturing It 
(09:18) 33 Million SMBs Ignored by Silicon Valley: The Unsaturated Opportunity 
(10:52) Deliverability Is the Most Important Thing Nobody Talks About Enough 
(14:49) Future Predictions: Brand and Distribution Win, Cold Email Gets Harder But Never Dies 
(18:14) Advice: Work at an Agency First, Build Relationships Before Going Solo

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