We know that there's a huge talent shortage in cybersecurity, which leads to high turnover. This makes succession planning even more important because we know that we have to manage the "churn" on top of everything else. Veteran CISO and Cyber Luminary Malcolm Harkins joins the show to talk about how important succession planning really is, how to do it really well, what to do when you mess up. As Malcolm says, "You can't talk you way out of something you behaved yourself into."