Suzanne and Sarah talk with Kate L. about the dreaded “outside topics” and wonder if, in the end, everything is an outside topic. They discuss black-and-white thinking, what “economic insecurity” might mean in the Ninth Step promises, and Kate’s love of wild AA meetings.

The Fourth D Club, Missoula, MT, www.4thdmissoula.org

Hosted & Written by Suzanne Garcia Pino

Co-Hosted & Produced by Sarah Grobel Bolstad

Music: I'll Tell You by Sarah Grobel Bolstad & Ian Ford