Clearing Up's Dan Catchpole talks with California Energy Markets' Jason Fordney at the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners’ Winter 2023 policy summit, where Energy Sec. Jennifer Granholm extolled renewable energy’s role in energy security. Dan and Jason also discuss the evolving role of energy efficiency, California’s soaring natural gas prices, a California lawmaker’s push to create a regional energy market, and Eugene, Ore.’s ban on natural gas in new residential construction.